BATTLE 11
Battle No 11
Some amongst the 'Great and the Good' have questioned whether Arthur was anything but a mythical character created to bolster the Norman concept of their importance in their newly conquered Mainland, much the same as the Angles had done centuries earlier.
Arthur's Battle Number 11 could be considered as giving good cause for the doubters to question the reality of a battle that history cannot even decide whether it was fought on the Mountain Breguion or on the Mountain Agned.
Many have interpreted each recorded name in a variety of optional settings with not one of those interpretations being made to link with events of the period, nor history in general.
At the beginning of this section on Arthur's Battles it was declared how there was a distinct connection between individual sites, the adversaries, and the reason why each battle was fought. Nennius in compiling his list of battles claimed they were all against nondescript Saxons, but as there were no Saxons on the Mainland at the dates of these battles that is not a route that we could have followed.
The contorted 'Saxon' back-dated records encompassed Angle History to promote their Saxon claim to include the successes of the Angles as being Saxon such that the records constantly credit all events to Saxons whereas they did not arrive until after the events of Arthur.
Conventional thinkers will not accept that notion but it will be a subject dealt with in depth in the book that will follow this exposure on the Web. In general most of the problems with which Arthur and his predecessor Ambrosius had to contend were caused by the Angles, Scots (Goedels) and Picts as individual groups or in combination with one another.
These interpretations of the listed battles show how reality exactly follows the general perception of the inter-play between the known combatants, but now in this study we have been able to determine, in most cases, the likelihood of every single battle-site, the combatants, and the reason for each specific battle.
In spite of the duality of the sites attributed to Battle No 11 in the original records it will be seen that the battle was 'unfinished business' that followed on from Battles 2, 3, 4, 5, and 8 with Battle No 6 being against the Goedels who gave succour to Twrch Trwyth and his son Gwyrych (could be interpreted as meaning the 'oxen footsoldier') during those four earlier battles.
After the Scotti Goedels split when their Battle No 4 against Arthur at Pontardawe (Cilybebyll) was going in Arthur's favour Twrch went on to Chepstow where he met his end whilst his son Gwyrych with his multitude of men made for the Ceredigion hills.
The story for Battle No 8 showed how they again retreated from that battle-site at Castell Guinion to go further into the hills.
They eventually settled in the hills above 'Farmers' near Lampeter from where Urien flushed them out and chased them further across the Ceredigion Hills, into the Powys Hills at Rhyader then Arthur chased them down to Llandrindod Wells onto to Builth Wells then to the Hills of Breguion/ Brechiniog/ Brychynion and variants of those names that we know better today as the 'Brecon Beacons'. After those skirmishes across the whole Mid-Wales region the Scotti eventually came down to Brecon.
The final confrontation came to the south of today's Brecon at 'Mount Agned', properly 'Mynnydd Ag Nedd' , that translates as the Mountain near the mouth of the River Neath, a hill today that carries the name of 'Fan Nedd' meaning the Hilltop of the River Neath, implying that it took place at the eye of the River Neath. Adjacent to that hill is another hill named Fan Girhirych that would seem to be a vulgarisation of Gwyrych and likely named in commemoration of the place where Gwyrych lost his life.
With that scenario the confusion over the two names attributed to the battle can be seen to come together with the reference to Breguion being that of the skirmishes and that the Battle at Mount Agned was the final confrontation near the eye of the River Nedd (Neath).
Battle No 11 was therefore the end of the 'Twrch' Scotti problem for Arthur that had commenced in AD 511 and had lasted for the best part of seven years. During the same period Arthur had to contend with the Angles who were sometimes in league with the domestic Goedels and Picts and possibly occasionally with the Scotti Goedels as well.
The battle was therefore the final result of Battles 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8 and brought all of Arthur's problems to a near final solution as Battle No 12 approached, bringing its own solution to Battles 1, 7, 9, and 10, against the Angles who sometimes had native allies. The Battle of Badon was Battle No 12 and not one 'Saxon' came anywhere near any of those battle sites.
Some amongst the 'Great and the Good' have questioned whether Arthur was anything but a mythical character created to bolster the Norman concept of their importance in their newly conquered Mainland, much the same as the Angles had done centuries earlier.
Arthur's Battle Number 11 could be considered as giving good cause for the doubters to question the reality of a battle that history cannot even decide whether it was fought on the Mountain Breguion or on the Mountain Agned.
Many have interpreted each recorded name in a variety of optional settings with not one of those interpretations being made to link with events of the period, nor history in general.
At the beginning of this section on Arthur's Battles it was declared how there was a distinct connection between individual sites, the adversaries, and the reason why each battle was fought. Nennius in compiling his list of battles claimed they were all against nondescript Saxons, but as there were no Saxons on the Mainland at the dates of these battles that is not a route that we could have followed.
The contorted 'Saxon' back-dated records encompassed Angle History to promote their Saxon claim to include the successes of the Angles as being Saxon such that the records constantly credit all events to Saxons whereas they did not arrive until after the events of Arthur.
Conventional thinkers will not accept that notion but it will be a subject dealt with in depth in the book that will follow this exposure on the Web. In general most of the problems with which Arthur and his predecessor Ambrosius had to contend were caused by the Angles, Scots (Goedels) and Picts as individual groups or in combination with one another.
These interpretations of the listed battles show how reality exactly follows the general perception of the inter-play between the known combatants, but now in this study we have been able to determine, in most cases, the likelihood of every single battle-site, the combatants, and the reason for each specific battle.
In spite of the duality of the sites attributed to Battle No 11 in the original records it will be seen that the battle was 'unfinished business' that followed on from Battles 2, 3, 4, 5, and 8 with Battle No 6 being against the Goedels who gave succour to Twrch Trwyth and his son Gwyrych (could be interpreted as meaning the 'oxen footsoldier') during those four earlier battles.
After the Scotti Goedels split when their Battle No 4 against Arthur at Pontardawe (Cilybebyll) was going in Arthur's favour Twrch went on to Chepstow where he met his end whilst his son Gwyrych with his multitude of men made for the Ceredigion hills.
The story for Battle No 8 showed how they again retreated from that battle-site at Castell Guinion to go further into the hills.
They eventually settled in the hills above 'Farmers' near Lampeter from where Urien flushed them out and chased them further across the Ceredigion Hills, into the Powys Hills at Rhyader then Arthur chased them down to Llandrindod Wells onto to Builth Wells then to the Hills of Breguion/ Brechiniog/ Brychynion and variants of those names that we know better today as the 'Brecon Beacons'. After those skirmishes across the whole Mid-Wales region the Scotti eventually came down to Brecon.
The final confrontation came to the south of today's Brecon at 'Mount Agned', properly 'Mynnydd Ag Nedd' , that translates as the Mountain near the mouth of the River Neath, a hill today that carries the name of 'Fan Nedd' meaning the Hilltop of the River Neath, implying that it took place at the eye of the River Neath. Adjacent to that hill is another hill named Fan Girhirych that would seem to be a vulgarisation of Gwyrych and likely named in commemoration of the place where Gwyrych lost his life.
With that scenario the confusion over the two names attributed to the battle can be seen to come together with the reference to Breguion being that of the skirmishes and that the Battle at Mount Agned was the final confrontation near the eye of the River Nedd (Neath).
Battle No 11 was therefore the end of the 'Twrch' Scotti problem for Arthur that had commenced in AD 511 and had lasted for the best part of seven years. During the same period Arthur had to contend with the Angles who were sometimes in league with the domestic Goedels and Picts and possibly occasionally with the Scotti Goedels as well.
The battle was therefore the final result of Battles 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8 and brought all of Arthur's problems to a near final solution as Battle No 12 approached, bringing its own solution to Battles 1, 7, 9, and 10, against the Angles who sometimes had native allies. The Battle of Badon was Battle No 12 and not one 'Saxon' came anywhere near any of those battle sites.
